Comments on: The Clothes Make the Man of God http://www.torathmoshe.com/2010/02/the-clothes-make-the-man-of-god/ Just another WordPress weblog Wed, 04 Jan 2012 20:50:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Nesher http://www.torathmoshe.com/2010/02/the-clothes-make-the-man-of-god/comment-page-1/#comment-25412 Nesher Thu, 28 Apr 2011 07:45:48 +0000 http://www.torathmoshe.com/?p=303#comment-25412 Shalom I was wondering if it would possible to further elaborate and build upon on the idea of the Jewish people returning to donning a more Israelite form of clothing, whlist making use of practical advances without compromises (such as trainers and army clothing). I am aware that the Temple Institue is already selling Priestly garments, but has someone actually attempted to create or commission a modern non-western reinterpretation of ancient Hebrew clothing for both men and women? Shalom

I was wondering if it would possible to further elaborate and build upon on the idea of the Jewish people returning to donning a more Israelite form of clothing, whlist making use of practical advances without compromises (such as trainers and army clothing).

I am aware that the Temple Institue is already selling Priestly garments, but has someone actually attempted to create or commission a modern non-western reinterpretation of ancient Hebrew clothing for both men and women?

]]> By: Pinhas Erez http://www.torathmoshe.com/2010/02/the-clothes-make-the-man-of-god/comment-page-1/#comment-25194 Pinhas Erez Mon, 10 Jan 2011 07:34:10 +0000 http://www.torathmoshe.com/?p=303#comment-25194 I was not aware that costumes on Purim is a recent thing. I have read that asides from wearing costumes, wearing Shabbat clothing to Megillah readings is desirable, if not traditionally what should be done. Its interesting to see, that the Khakhamim in Bagdad (Bavel) still dress in white as is stated in the Gemara ( I believe Kiddushin 72 a 0r b). I also use that source to discourage people from dressing in black, the idea should be simple to grasp once someone sees the Gemara. I think what you say Mori about the nations being offended by jews not dressing jewishly, is even a more stronger issue with non-observant jews. Every jew has a minds eye view of the jew of the Tanakh, and when they see black ashkenzi garb, they knopw something is way off, and are deeply turned off. The jews of europe wore black for two reasons Ive read of. Goyishe and religious leaders in europe decreed the jews should wear black in order to disgrace them and put them in their places. Additionally, at some times the Sages themselves told the jews to wear black, since their clothing was so fancy and ostentatious it was invoking jealousy and hatred ammoungst the goyim. I dont see any reason for jews to continue adhereing to these decrees in Erets Yisrael. And there are reasons why they should stop. It is a high wall that turns off many many jews that would otherwise draw close. I was not aware that costumes on Purim is a recent thing. I have read that asides from wearing costumes, wearing Shabbat clothing to Megillah readings is desirable, if not traditionally what should be done.
Its interesting to see, that the Khakhamim in Bagdad (Bavel) still dress in white as is stated in the Gemara ( I believe Kiddushin 72 a 0r b). I also use that source to discourage people from dressing in black, the idea should be simple to grasp once someone sees the Gemara.
I think what you say Mori about the nations being offended by jews not dressing jewishly, is even a more stronger issue with non-observant jews. Every jew has a minds eye view of the jew of the Tanakh, and when they see black ashkenzi garb, they knopw something is way off, and are deeply turned off.
The jews of europe wore black for two reasons Ive read of. Goyishe and religious leaders in europe decreed the jews should wear black in order to disgrace them and put them in their places. Additionally, at some times the Sages themselves told the jews to wear black, since their clothing was so fancy and ostentatious it was invoking jealousy and hatred ammoungst the goyim. I dont see any reason for jews to continue adhereing to these decrees in Erets Yisrael. And there are reasons why they should stop. It is a high wall that turns off many many jews that would otherwise draw close.

]]> By: barron http://www.torathmoshe.com/2010/02/the-clothes-make-the-man-of-god/comment-page-1/#comment-25096 barron Tue, 07 Sep 2010 22:39:14 +0000 http://www.torathmoshe.com/?p=303#comment-25096 Dear Shoshanah, You questions not only don't bother me; they are excellent. Rather than you, it is I who must apologize. I am so sorry for the length of time it’s taken to get back to you. The site was down for a while after being attacked and infected with malware, and we only now succeeded in getting back up. Regarding women's clothing, many women in Israel --particularly the hilltop-types, and Breslover Hassidic women-- tend to dress closer to the biblical ideal than other groups. Long skirts, large shawl-wraps (they can be colorful, often coming with fringes), and a double scarf (ideally two) for the head, are available in Israel, and probably abroad if you do an exhaustive and creative search. You are 100% percent correct regarding visiting gravesites. According to RaMBaM (and also according to the Ari z"l, as the Magen Avraham writes), one should only visit graves for burial -- period. (Book of Judges, Laws of Mourning 4:4) For my latest round of warning the world against such customs, listen to my latest A-7 interview on the Tamar Yonah Show, called "Chickens, gods and Chelm": http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Radio/News.aspx/2512. You sound to me like a woman such as those in whose merit we were redeemed from Egypt. May you indeed be inscribed in the Book of Life, and this year see the sprouting of our Redemption. With blessings, Mori Michael Shelomo Bar-Ron Dear Shoshanah,

You questions not only don’t bother me; they are excellent. Rather than you, it is I who must apologize. I am so sorry for the length of time it’s taken to get back to you. The site was down for a while after being attacked and infected with malware, and we only now succeeded in getting back up.

Regarding women’s clothing, many women in Israel –particularly the hilltop-types, and Breslover Hassidic women– tend to dress closer to the biblical ideal than other groups. Long skirts, large shawl-wraps (they can be colorful, often coming with fringes), and a double scarf (ideally two) for the head, are available in Israel, and probably abroad if you do an exhaustive and creative search.

You are 100% percent correct regarding visiting gravesites. According to RaMBaM (and also according to the Ari z”l, as the Magen Avraham writes), one should only visit graves for burial — period. (Book of Judges, Laws of Mourning 4:4)

For my latest round of warning the world against such customs, listen to my latest A-7 interview on the Tamar Yonah Show, called “Chickens, gods and Chelm”:

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Radio/News.aspx/2512.

You sound to me like a woman such as those in whose merit we were redeemed from Egypt. May you indeed be inscribed in the Book of Life, and this year see the sprouting of our Redemption.

With blessings,

Mori Michael Shelomo Bar-Ron

]]> By: Avrahom David http://www.torathmoshe.com/2010/02/the-clothes-make-the-man-of-god/comment-page-1/#comment-25077 Avrahom David Tue, 29 Jun 2010 11:37:30 +0000 http://www.torathmoshe.com/?p=303#comment-25077 Good writings! Good writings!

]]> By: Aminidav Vigneaux http://www.torathmoshe.com/2010/02/the-clothes-make-the-man-of-god/comment-page-1/#comment-25066 Aminidav Vigneaux Mon, 31 May 2010 21:02:43 +0000 http://www.torathmoshe.com/?p=303#comment-25066 Shalom, My wife and I very much enjoyed your visit to our small community here in Albuquerque New Mexico recently. I am also enjoying your web site. I have recently begun to bow and prostrate during my personal prayers and have really begun to read the Mishne Torah. We like your article on Jewish clothing and are wondering how to get a hold of authentic Jewish clothing? We thank you for your teaching and are looking forward to visiting you in Israel next year. Shalom,

My wife and I very much enjoyed your visit to our small community here in Albuquerque New Mexico recently. I am also enjoying your web site. I have recently begun to bow and prostrate during my personal prayers and have really begun to read the Mishne Torah. We like your article on Jewish clothing and are wondering how to get a hold of authentic Jewish clothing? We thank you for your teaching and are looking forward to visiting you in Israel next year.

]]> By: Shoshanah Collins http://www.torathmoshe.com/2010/02/the-clothes-make-the-man-of-god/comment-page-1/#comment-25020 Shoshanah Collins Tue, 06 Apr 2010 00:01:59 +0000 http://www.torathmoshe.com/?p=303#comment-25020 Shalom, I have several questions that I hope you will have time to answer. I love this site! I have been here so many times to read all the great articles. My first question concerns an interview with Tamar Yonah during Purim.-- I am pretty sure that it was you! Anyway, I really felt the same about what you said about the activities during Purim. Thanks for presenting this TRUTH to the listeners.I had for so long felt that the activities during Purim was sorta like the New Orleans activities w/o the ungodliness. To this article about the clothing for Jewish men, what about Jewish women? I am concerned that the women are a bit far from what we should be wearing. Any help for me on this issue?Also, I have heard so many rabbi's talk about going to gravesites of other rabbis to pray. Doesn't the Torah teach us to stay away from this sort of thing? I do sincerely hope that my questions don't disturb you. I sincerely, with all my heart and soul want holiness. I want to "walk" w/ my G'd.I would love to hear any answers that you can give me. Also, where can I get more info on any of these subjects? And I love the Abir warrior arts. Shoshanah Shalom,
I have several questions that I hope you will have time to answer. I love this site! I have been here so many times to read all the great articles. My first question concerns an interview with Tamar Yonah during Purim.– I am pretty sure that it was you! Anyway, I really felt the same about what you said about the activities during Purim. Thanks for presenting this TRUTH to the listeners.I had for so long felt that the activities during Purim was sorta like the New Orleans activities w/o the ungodliness. To this article about the clothing for Jewish men, what about Jewish women? I am concerned that the women are a bit far from what we should be wearing. Any help for me on this issue?Also, I have heard so many rabbi’s talk about going to gravesites of other rabbis to pray. Doesn’t the Torah teach us to stay away from this sort of thing? I do sincerely hope that my questions don’t disturb you. I sincerely, with all my heart and soul want holiness. I want to “walk” w/ my G’d.I would love to hear any answers that you can give me. Also, where can I get more info on any of these subjects? And I love the Abir warrior arts.
Shoshanah

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