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		<title>By: Matityahu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matityahu</dc:creator>
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		<description>Shalom,

 I Very much enjoyed your article. Other than the BegedIvri site go you know where one might obtain traditional Yisraelite clothing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shalom,</p>
<p> I Very much enjoyed your article. Other than the BegedIvri site go you know where one might obtain traditional Yisraelite clothing?</p>
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		<title>By: barron</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 20:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;b&#039;Shem HASHEM El `olam&lt;/em&gt;

Shalom Moshe,

Thank you for your interest in my article.  Being that we are a diverse faith community, ingathered from ethnic groups of Jews separated from one another by many centuries, it is a given that we look different.  Nonetheless, I recommend the dress of ethnic Middle Eastern Jewry to Jews of all backgrounds.  Just as a Yemenite Jew visiting Russia would do well to wear a warm streimel and long, thick coat, it is only natural for Jews of European ethnic background in Israel to dress according to the climate and ethnic Jewish customs of this region.  

And yes, that sends the subtle message to the world --not just the Arabs-- that we identify with our ancient Hebrew roots in this Land, and are picking up from where our exiled ancestors left off.  It is a subtle statement that we view our right to this land not to be based merely on the decisions of the U.N., but on our being her indigenous sons and daughters who have returned to reclaim that which was given to us by HaShem as an everlasting heritage.

According to the example you gave, a turban can be an excellent place to start -- especially for tefillah.  

With Blessings from Ere&lt;strong&gt;S&lt;/strong&gt; HaQodesh,

Michael Shelomo Bar-Ron</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>b&#8217;Shem HASHEM El `olam</em></p>
<p>Shalom Moshe,</p>
<p>Thank you for your interest in my article.  Being that we are a diverse faith community, ingathered from ethnic groups of Jews separated from one another by many centuries, it is a given that we look different.  Nonetheless, I recommend the dress of ethnic Middle Eastern Jewry to Jews of all backgrounds.  Just as a Yemenite Jew visiting Russia would do well to wear a warm streimel and long, thick coat, it is only natural for Jews of European ethnic background in Israel to dress according to the climate and ethnic Jewish customs of this region.  </p>
<p>And yes, that sends the subtle message to the world &#8211;not just the Arabs&#8211; that we identify with our ancient Hebrew roots in this Land, and are picking up from where our exiled ancestors left off.  It is a subtle statement that we view our right to this land not to be based merely on the decisions of the U.N., but on our being her indigenous sons and daughters who have returned to reclaim that which was given to us by HaShem as an everlasting heritage.</p>
<p>According to the example you gave, a turban can be an excellent place to start &#8212; especially for tefillah.  </p>
<p>With Blessings from Ere<strong>S</strong> HaQodesh,</p>
<p>Michael Shelomo Bar-Ron</p>
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		<title>By: moshe</title>
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		<dc:creator>moshe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 14:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>L&#039;chvod Harav! Thank you for this interesting article. I generally agree with you (for what it is s worth) about the value of returning to the more authentic Jewish mode of dress. I hate the black galut garb, quite frankly. However, I have some issue with your &quot;what will the Arabs say&quot; argument.

You wrote:

“The black garbed Polish look and black hats/streimels…make us look foreign to this land…The Arabs pick up on it, as does as the rest of the world…they say, “See? These Jews came and stole our land. They don’t belong here – go back to Europe!”

Well, my mother is Ashkenazi and my father is (non-Jewish) Russian. The result is, that I look as European as they come. Blue eyes and light brown hair. I guess you could easily say I look foreign to the Land. A huge percentage of Ashkenazi Jews look like that, they would have looked European(and really odd) even if they all wore turbans and all that. 
I&#039;m sure &quot;the Arabs pick on [Ashkenazi looks and] say, “See? These Jews came and stole our land. They don’t belong here – go back to Europe!]. Should we feel bad about it? Should I perhaps dye my hair black to convince the Arabs that I belong in the Land? My point is- looks dont make a Jew. Who cares what the Arabs think in this regard.
Now do you perhaps have any suggestions about how those of us of European background should dress. My ancestors werent from Bagdad,should I still wear a turban? :-))
With respect
Moshe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>L&#8217;chvod Harav! Thank you for this interesting article. I generally agree with you (for what it is s worth) about the value of returning to the more authentic Jewish mode of dress. I hate the black galut garb, quite frankly. However, I have some issue with your &#8220;what will the Arabs say&#8221; argument.</p>
<p>You wrote:</p>
<p>“The black garbed Polish look and black hats/streimels…make us look foreign to this land…The Arabs pick up on it, as does as the rest of the world…they say, “See? These Jews came and stole our land. They don’t belong here – go back to Europe!”</p>
<p>Well, my mother is Ashkenazi and my father is (non-Jewish) Russian. The result is, that I look as European as they come. Blue eyes and light brown hair. I guess you could easily say I look foreign to the Land. A huge percentage of Ashkenazi Jews look like that, they would have looked European(and really odd) even if they all wore turbans and all that.<br />
I&#8217;m sure &#8220;the Arabs pick on [Ashkenazi looks and] say, “See? These Jews came and stole our land. They don’t belong here – go back to Europe!]. Should we feel bad about it? Should I perhaps dye my hair black to convince the Arabs that I belong in the Land? My point is- looks dont make a Jew. Who cares what the Arabs think in this regard.<br />
Now do you perhaps have any suggestions about how those of us of European background should dress. My ancestors werent from Bagdad,should I still wear a turban? :-))<br />
With respect<br />
Moshe</p>
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		<title>By: barron</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2012 15:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Bill.  May HaShem guide us all -- Jews and non-Jews-- in truth, justice and peace.

Sincerely,

Mori Mikha&#039;el Shelomo Bar-Ron</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Bill.  May HaShem guide us all &#8212; Jews and non-Jews&#8211; in truth, justice and peace.</p>
<p>Sincerely,</p>
<p>Mori Mikha&#8217;el Shelomo Bar-Ron</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Hodge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Hodge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2012 10:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Friends,
You have my profound respect for all that is on this web site.  As a practising Roman Catholic (Traditional Latin) I applaud your standards and share them.  I wish you well for your on-going work.  God bless.
Bill Hodge</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Friends,<br />
You have my profound respect for all that is on this web site.  As a practising Roman Catholic (Traditional Latin) I applaud your standards and share them.  I wish you well for your on-going work.  God bless.<br />
Bill Hodge</p>
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		<title>By: barron</title>
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		<dc:creator>barron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2012 21:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen to that, David.  Thanks for the valuable input!

Blessings,

Mori Mikha&#039;el Shelomo Bar-Ron</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen to that, David.  Thanks for the valuable input!</p>
<p>Blessings,</p>
<p>Mori Mikha&#8217;el Shelomo Bar-Ron</p>
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		<title>By: David Fredin</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Fredin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2012 19:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sir,You wrote above something that has occupied my mind a long time, and I thought I was the only one thinking of it. 

You wrote:

&quot;The black garbed Polish look and black hats/streimels...make us look foreign to this land...The Arabs pick up on it, as does as the rest of the world...they say, “See? These Jews came and stole our land. They don’t belong here – go back to Europe!”

I am most gratefull sir that You brought up this subject, at last some one did. And I think the old dresscode should at least be, as a first step, for all of us at festivals held in Eretz Yisrael, and why not include the IDF at special State Cermonies with fitting warrior style of the past!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sir,You wrote above something that has occupied my mind a long time, and I thought I was the only one thinking of it. </p>
<p>You wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;The black garbed Polish look and black hats/streimels&#8230;make us look foreign to this land&#8230;The Arabs pick up on it, as does as the rest of the world&#8230;they say, “See? These Jews came and stole our land. They don’t belong here – go back to Europe!”</p>
<p>I am most gratefull sir that You brought up this subject, at last some one did. And I think the old dresscode should at least be, as a first step, for all of us at festivals held in Eretz Yisrael, and why not include the IDF at special State Cermonies with fitting warrior style of the past!</p>
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		<title>By: j,d,</title>
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		<dc:creator>j,d,</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 07:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a for h. bar ron:
from whence does the custom of simanim stem. this custom seems to preponder only among certain yemenite jews (habbanis wear all their hair long). i see no ancient sources for this. can you please enlighten me on that? thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a for h. bar ron:<br />
from whence does the custom of simanim stem. this custom seems to preponder only among certain yemenite jews (habbanis wear all their hair long). i see no ancient sources for this. can you please enlighten me on that? thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Nesher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nesher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 07:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shalom

I was wondering if it would possible to further elaborate and build upon on the idea of the Jewish people returning to donning a more Israelite form of clothing, whlist making use of practical advances without compromises (such as trainers and army clothing).

I am aware that the Temple Institue is already selling Priestly garments, but has someone actually attempted to create or commission a modern non-western reinterpretation of ancient Hebrew clothing for both men and women?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shalom</p>
<p>I was wondering if it would possible to further elaborate and build upon on the idea of the Jewish people returning to donning a more Israelite form of clothing, whlist making use of practical advances without compromises (such as trainers and army clothing).</p>
<p>I am aware that the Temple Institue is already selling Priestly garments, but has someone actually attempted to create or commission a modern non-western reinterpretation of ancient Hebrew clothing for both men and women?</p>
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		<title>By: Pinhas Erez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pinhas Erez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jan 2011 07:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was not aware that costumes on Purim is a recent thing. I have read that asides from wearing costumes, wearing Shabbat clothing to Megillah readings is desirable, if not traditionally what should be done.
Its interesting to see, that the Khakhamim in Bagdad (Bavel) still dress in white as is stated in the Gemara ( I believe Kiddushin 72 a 0r b). I also use that source to discourage people from dressing in black, the idea should be simple to grasp once someone sees the Gemara.
I think what you say Mori about the nations being offended by jews not dressing jewishly, is even a more stronger issue with non-observant jews. Every jew has a minds eye view of the jew of the Tanakh, and when they see black ashkenzi garb, they knopw something is way off, and are deeply turned off.
The jews of europe wore black for two reasons Ive read of. Goyishe and religious leaders in europe decreed the jews should wear black in order to disgrace them and put them in their places. Additionally, at some times the Sages themselves told the jews to wear black, since their clothing was so fancy and ostentatious it was invoking jealousy and hatred ammoungst the goyim. I dont see any reason for jews to continue adhereing to these decrees in Erets Yisrael. And there are reasons why they should stop. It is a high wall that turns off many many jews that would otherwise draw close.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was not aware that costumes on Purim is a recent thing. I have read that asides from wearing costumes, wearing Shabbat clothing to Megillah readings is desirable, if not traditionally what should be done.<br />
Its interesting to see, that the Khakhamim in Bagdad (Bavel) still dress in white as is stated in the Gemara ( I believe Kiddushin 72 a 0r b). I also use that source to discourage people from dressing in black, the idea should be simple to grasp once someone sees the Gemara.<br />
I think what you say Mori about the nations being offended by jews not dressing jewishly, is even a more stronger issue with non-observant jews. Every jew has a minds eye view of the jew of the Tanakh, and when they see black ashkenzi garb, they knopw something is way off, and are deeply turned off.<br />
The jews of europe wore black for two reasons Ive read of. Goyishe and religious leaders in europe decreed the jews should wear black in order to disgrace them and put them in their places. Additionally, at some times the Sages themselves told the jews to wear black, since their clothing was so fancy and ostentatious it was invoking jealousy and hatred ammoungst the goyim. I dont see any reason for jews to continue adhereing to these decrees in Erets Yisrael. And there are reasons why they should stop. It is a high wall that turns off many many jews that would otherwise draw close.</p>
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